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 Post subject: Swapping in the 2.4, answer's for your build
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N/A Stand's for Natural Aspired - Meaning no turbo

Will SRT-4 Pistons fit in my N/A 2.4?
YES! Stock srt-4 pistons fit in a n/a 2.4 your block must have a good STOCK bore. The rods and pistons WILL fit in a N/A 2.4. The pistons from a srt-4 will drop compression to 8.1.1. The year of the block does not matter


Will the rod barrings work out of a SRT-4?
If your Crank is stock then you may use the stock barrings out of an SRT-4. The rods on a srt-4 have hole by the top of them for oil to come out of. srt-4 barrings also have this hole. N/A 2.4's do not! I would recomend using the srt-4 barring's if you are using srt-4 rods.. Though you do not have to use srt-4 barring's. The crank out of your N/A 2.4 will work fine with these rods.


Will the SRT-4 Crank work on my N/A 2.4?
The SRT-4 crank wont work on a 95-99 N/A 2.4 because of the Trigger wheel.

Will my 2.0 Crank work in a 2.4
Your 2.0 crank wont work on a 2.4.

How much can i get SRT-4 rods and pistons For?
Srt-4 rods and piston with rings will run around 100 a piece Depending on were you get them! The rod's and piston's are normally sold together. I would recomend getting ahold of some of the vender's on this site and SRTforums to get a good deal on rod's and piston's. These rods and pistons will also hold some serious HP right around 450-500Crank Hp
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On the top is a stock N/A rod and on the bottom is a srt-4 rod
the srt-4 rod is also made from C-70 forged steel rather than the powdered-metal construction of the NA rods



Can i use SRT-4 rods with aftermarket piston?
Aftermarket pistons will fit a srt-4 rod.
so if your N/A needs bored buy aftermarket pistons to go with your srt-4 rods.

Can i use SRT-4 rod's and put higher comp pistons on them?
YES!!! Srt-4 rod's will go with any compression piston.

will a SRT-4 oil pump, Oil Pan, Pickuptube, Tensioner work with my N/A 2.4?
These to will work on your N/A 2.4 but they will need to be bought together. If you go this route you Must buy the pick up tube, tensioner,
oil pan, Oilpan Gasket. Also to make installation easy buy a srt-4 water-Pump.
You can get the GT Cruiser or the SRT-4 stuff. It will all work. The SRT-4 gasket comes with tabs like a crank scraper but does not effect the crank were the balance shafts are.
The oil pump out of the SRT-4 pumps 15cc of oil instead of 12cc.
It works better for a turbo app then the N/a 2.4 pump. Also i noticed that the srt-4 water pump look's like a better design then the N/A 2.4...
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will a SRT-4 Turbo or exhaust work on my 1st gen?
IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU HAVE A 2.0 or 2.4SWAP.. YES The turbo bolts right up!
Any SRT-4 downpipe will work. you can use the SRT-4 exhaust with some mod's. This is a easy task...... you can also make your own.
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What timing belt do i used on my 2.4 N/A?
When choosing a timing belt, it wont matter which one you choose as long as it's from a 2.4.. if you added all the srt-4 stuff it's still the same belt as the N/A belt.... SRT-4 Timing belt and N/A timing belt are the same!

can i use a SRT-4 Head on a 2001 and older block?
If your block is a 2001 and older you can use any head from 1995 - 2001
If your block is a 2002 and newer you need a 2002 - 2005 head
In the year 2002 they changed one oil port in the rear of the head so it will no longer bold on to a older block. How ever you can mod a 2002+newer head to work with a older style block!

will a SRT-4 headgasket fit a regular N/a 2.4?
The headgasket off an srt-4 will fit anything from 2002 and up.
it will not fit a 1995 - 2001 head do to the oil port change.
Use the gasket YEAR that goes with the block year

will a 95-99 2.0 DOHC Head fit my N/a 2.4?
YES this head will fit your 1995 - 2001 2.4 block... If Your block is a 2002 or newer it will not work..

Will my DOHC 2.0 cam gears work on my N/A 2.4
Stock 2.0 cam gears can be flipped over and they will work on your 2.4
to make After-market 2.0 cam gears work you will need to buy a spacer from (your gonna have to search for the person who make's these)

will 1995 - 2001 2.0 cam's work in my 1995 - 2001 2.4?
The magnets on srt-4 cams are in the same spot as a 2.0 cam... So for either of these cam's to work you must rotate the cam magnet 90 degrese clock wise...

SRT-4 Valve cover
It will fit with some small mods. there is a hole that don't line up if you got a 95-99 head. it will need to be plugged because dirt could get in your valve-train. Read about it here>>> viewtopic.php?t=213133&highlight=

Will my 95-99 neon tranny bolt up to my 2.4?
YES an 95-99 tranny (atx or mtx) will bolt up to your 2.4 some brackets dont fit but it holds just fine

Will my 95-99 PCM work on my 2.4
Yes but you will need to rewire a few things. this is vary easy to do

PARTS NUMBERS YOU WILL NEED WHEN BUILDING A 95-99 2.4 BLOCK WITH ALL SRT-4 PARTS
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Rod Barings 5093448AB
Rod and piston 4884247AD <you need 4
Rings 5093441AA
Main barings 5012582AA
Oil Pan 4777991AA
Oil Pump 4884390AB
Oil Pump Pickup/Screen 4792304AC
Oil Pan Gasket 4777994AA
Oil Filter Connector 4777998AA
Oil Filter Connector Gasket 4884000AA
Oil Filter Connector Screw 6102041AA
Timing Belt 4621844
Timing Belt Tensioner 4781570AB
Idler Pully 4781569AB
Upper Gasket Set 5101787AA
Lower Gasket Set 5093452AA






How much am i looking at? If you get good deals and all parts are used probly 700. - 1500.
ALL PARTS NEW BUT BLOCK 1000. 2500.

Parts List Under Constuction

Used 2.4 Block 95-99? JunkYard 50-500 Neons.ORG 50-300 Shipping is usually $150-200

2.4 SRT-4 rods and piston - New ????? --Used - $75-150 srtforums.com or neons.org

2.4 Crank - New 180. --Used $75 - 100

2.4 or 2.0 Head - Used 75-300 --Used $250-400






Will my 2.4 pick up chicks?
Yes as long it runs well and has me in it! J/K


ill add more when i figure more out


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Seems correct, but you CAN use the srt exhaust on a 1st gen with minimal work.
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Nice information.


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ill edit that thanks nathan

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srt-4 exhaust manifold and the turbo are one. the mani does not have a flange for a diff. turbo.

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is this helping some of ya out?

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yes! great info. So my 2.0 head will fit a 2001 2.4 block?

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relenger wrote:
is this helping some of ya out?


yeah it is very nice to have all this info on one page!! thank you for doing the leg work on this.

btw, i just used the entire engine and electronics for my swap.:wink: i enjoyed my na ja style 2.4, but this is badass!

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So would my 2.0 head will fit a 2001 2.4 block?

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but if i went 2.4 i wouldnt be able to have ps would i?

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Yes you can. It will take some work though.


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over the winter time i will be making or trying to make some brackets for p/s or maybe a kit for those of you who arent using a timing belt cover. my hoses didnt want to reach with out rubbing on the gears. im thinking of even trying to move the rez like the srt-4 wich is above the pump.
im gonna try to make it adjust with a wrench so you can get the belt nice and tight.

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you sissys :) what is power steering? be a man


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my right hand is broke. so it makes it alittle hard

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my right hand is broke. so it makes it alittle hard


My right hand isnt broke...im a sissy :lol:

Let me know when you start making those.

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any one got a good pic of there return hose from the turbo? i need ideas since mines starting to leak and it less then 1/2 inch from the axle

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I know someone on the board is making P/S brackets out of PT P/S brackets with an extra leg welded on.

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i work at a local exhaust shop and ill have to say it was a pain in the butt to install the charge pipe off the turbo to the intercooler, it has a real funky bend in it cause he is using a stock bobble strut and bracket, now if you didnt have the bobble strut bracket it makes it easier to install.
when his car was done it actually ran pretty good for 5psi of boost.

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You can use your stock exhaust on a 1st gen with SRT-4 turbo if I'm not mistaken. If I remember you can use any downpipe, as long as flanges match up (may require the welding of a new flange on your exhaust).

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The downpipe on the srt-4 turbo works great on a first gen!

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srt-4 rods are not forged.

what is a barring?

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srt-4 rods are not forged.

what is a barring?


No? I thought rods were forged, pistons were not? If they're not forged, pretty good that they can handle 500+hp

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Will the SRT-4 valvetrain work in a DOHC head? I know the PT Cruiser valvetrain does.


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HUUMMMM dont know! cams would, i thought the gt cruiser and the srt-4 were the sam engines minus a few things

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what intake will fit best forturbo 2.4 to fit in a 1st gen?
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id say the 2.0 dohc intake, easy to install and works fine.

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Will the SRT-4 valvetrain work in a DOHC head? I know the PT Cruiser valvetrain does.


Seeing as how it's the same valvetrain as the upgraded PT parts, then yes it will work just fine!


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the heads depend on the year block. if you have a older 2.4 block the you need to modify the srt-4 head there is a oil port that needs reported. search i think for steve he has a long how to on this

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SRT4 rods ARE forged and I know that for a fact. I just rebuild my engine and had to write down all the specs for a class..

And the SRT4 cams have the SAME GRIND as the 2.4L non-turbo cams...I repeat, they are EXACTLY THE SAME!! The 2.0 Cams have a little more lobe lift however. They are between 2.4L and the Crane #14 turbo cams..

I have one question though...I still dont understand the rotating the magnet on the cams thing. If I wanted to use the 2.0L cams in my 2.4L, could I just take the magnet off my 2.4L cams?

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if you want to use the 2.0 cams, take out the torx bit bolt holding the magnet on the intake cam, rotate the magnet 90 degrees, put some locktite on that torx bit and lock it back down

*edit-and i dont think you can just put the 2.4 magnet on the 2.0 cam, b/c if i remember right the magnets are the same. but the hole location where the locating nipple of the magnet is different on the 2.4 cam. oh yeah that means you have to cut off the nipple on the magnet before rotating it.


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ah..that's exactly what I feared would be the problem...same magnets, different holes..

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would a 9X model year 2.4 stratus cam magnet work instead of rotating the 2.0 magnet?

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i looked at it cuz i have both 2.0 and 2.4 cams and the answer is no

the magnets are the same magnet...the cams just have the locating holes drilled differently..

so you do have to rotate them..

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This thread is full of great info, but where is everyone getting the actual parts for a rebuild? Bearings (rods, mains, etc.), Gaskets/seals and all that good stuff. Also, is there some sort of list of these parts I will need? I'd like to get a rough estimate of how much its gonna cost me.

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"Will SRT-4 Pistons fit in my N/A 2.4?
YES! Stock srt-4 pistons fit in a n/a 2.4 your block must have a good STOCK bore. The rods and pistons WILL fit in a N/A 2.4. The year of your block does not matter! "

Can i assume that if i bore my block out and buy the bored srt4 pistons will it work my block is a 96

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no, the most you can do is hone your block if you want to use the srt piston/rod combo. Anything more than a hone requires oversized pistons(weisco, etc..)

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who sells the over sized pistons?

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