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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **315cfm wooot!!**
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Matt, what are the specs on these plugs? I've got my head at the local engine shop for a touch up on the valve job after my garage porting, and they said there didn't appear to them to be enough room to tap those holes without risking obstructing an oil galley or several. Any thoughts? This is the route I was intending to go.

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Matt, what are the specs on these plugs? I've got my head at the local engine shop for a touch up on the valve job after my garage porting, and they said there didn't appear to them to be enough room to tap those holes without risking obstructing an oil galley or several. Any thoughts? This is the route I was intending to go.

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they are right. You can tap the heads that have the press in plugs, but you have to be super careful how deep you sink them. If your head has the press in style, just stick with them.

Some heads came from the factory with all them threaded already. My head was one of them. I'm not sure if it was certain years or why they only did some though.

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Ah, okay. . . I was thinking they looked like 1/4" NPT would be just fine, but of course I can't find my 1/4" NPT tap, and therefore won't ever see it again until I buy another one. But then I'll have two, which is nice.

Anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll start looking for some of these press in plugs. Is there any trick to ensuring they don't leak?

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Ah, okay. . . I was thinking they looked like 1/4" NPT would be just fine, but of course I can't find my 1/4" NPT tap, and therefore won't ever see it again until I buy another one. But then I'll have two, which is nice.

Anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll start looking for some of these press in plugs. Is there any trick to ensuring they don't leak?



Just measure the hole in the head, I use a common standard freeze plug. (can't remember exact size off the top of my head).

I use the same gasket maker on them as I do between the bedplate. Don't go crazy on the amount, a thin layer on the plug will do.

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Awesome, thanks again! Standard plug plus green stuff it is.

Back on topic then, when is the next outing for your car?

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I bought a new 5-bar map for the boost controller so it will read properly now. I need to get on the dyno and get it all setup properly. Ounce I do it's time for more track time.

I have an old set of konis coming to get sent out for revalving. Cutting the perch off and running coilover sleeves and 2.5" springs. Hope to get those on before season end.

Also been looking into tranny options. I'm going to try to get a 1.95 2nd gear with early 3.94 first and fourth. Also want to try to get a 4.12 fd.

More track time is the most important thing right now though. (after figuring out the boost controller)

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I bought a new 5-bar map for the boost controller so it will read properly now. I need to get on the dyno and get it all setup properly.

Also been looking into tranny options. I'm going to try to get a 1.95 2nd gear with early 3.94 first and fourth. Also want to try to get a 4.12 fd.

More track time is the most important thing right now though. (after figuring out the boost controller)


Thought you were done F-ing with that b00st controller?

Splain me dis funky geared 3.94??? You don't need a 4.12!!!! Do you?

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4.12 will put my mph at 156@9100 in fourth. Downside is first will be pretty damn short. Maybe try leaving in second?

I haven't looked into the idler idea yet, so I'm not quite sure where I could put it yet.

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why not go to 4.12?
honda's use 4.4+ and have similar rpm shift points.
a longer first gear would be awesome.

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I bought a new 5-bar map for the boost controller so it will read properly now. I need to get on the dyno and get it all setup properly. Ounce I do it's time for more track time.

I have an old set of konis coming to get sent out for revalving. Cutting the perch off and running coilover sleeves and 2.5" springs. Hope to get those on before season end.

Also been looking into tranny options. I'm going to try to get a 1.95 2nd gear with early 3.94 first and fourth. Also want to try to get a 4.12 fd.

More track time is the most important thing right now though. (after figuring out the boost controller)


whats the diff between early and late transmissions?

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First, second, and fourth.

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you can see the hood bulging letting air out from under it. this is a serious problem im looking into more. im going to try blocking off the large holes in the bumper with duct tape at the track and see if helps any. also im going to looking into ways to help vent the air out from the engine bay in a more controlled fashion.....possibly out the cowl area.

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If I understand correctly, you need vents just behind the upper core support area where it's a low pressure area over the apex of the hood (Bernoulli Effect). The cowl area is actually supposed to be a high pressure area where you let air IN to the area under the hood. . . I.e. a bad place to try and let air out from under your hood. :dunno:

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If I understand correctly, you need vents just behind the upper core support area where it's a low pressure area over the apex of the hood (Bernoulli Effect). The cowl area is actually supposed to be a high pressure area where you let air IN to the area under the hood. . . I.e. a bad place to try and let air out from under your hood. :dunno:



i think your right too. i read a big article in a magazine recently about aerodynamics. (cant remember which magazine, but its an awesome read) i need to get a stock steel hood and start cutting holes i think :bye:

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Put some hot-rod louvers in the middle of the hood. I've always wanted to do something like that on my cars. :) Note where the old TurboDodge's had their hood vents at back in the early 80's (they were removed in the late '80's thanks to bean counters trying to save money). I have the hood from an '84 Daytona with the great big vent in it, it's eventually getting combined with the hood on my van, if only to let the heat out on hot days and in parking lots, but I know those vents help with top speeds as well.

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I got the idea for the vent on my hood from IMSA racecars.
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I still believe on those cars, the ones in the rear are for air induction while the ones closer to the front are for escape. Could be wrong though.

I'll take the hood off your hands since it doesn't look to be working for you. Just drop it on by :grin:

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Id say some kind of an air-dam is in order, keep whatever air is going under the car/engine compartment to a minimum thus creating somewhat of a vacuum on the underside of the car/hood instead of pressure. It should help with traction at speed as well (if you are getting wheel spin :dunno: ) Id also try to block off everything you can as far as grille/bumper openings go (with the exception of the intercooler area)

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I still believe on those cars, the ones in the rear are for air induction while the ones closer to the front are for escape.

Agreed. The air coming up over the rise at the front of the hood is high speed air, and high speed air is low pressure air (Bernoulli). Therefore if you make your escape louvers, holes, whatever as shown about a third of the way back on the hood as shown in the diagram, it should exhaust the pressure out from your engine compartment. That should in theory assist in beneficial air flow through your intercooler and radiator too.

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what could i do to a cowl hood to modify it so it would function like that. also what would a diffuser up front do for our cars.

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I think VIS makes a CF for the 1st gen with vents there, but I think it's a "SOHC only" hood, though I had a similar one on my old car when it was DOHC. I don't think mine had the vents, but it was recessed there and holes could have easily been cut.

I'll look for a pic of one. I think eBay has them.

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what could i do to a cowl hood to modify it so it would function like that. also what would a diffuser up front do for our cars.

To get the cowl area to be a low pressure area, simply remove the windshield. :)

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this looks perfect. just dont want to pay $400 for it.

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this looks perfect. just dont want to pay $400 for it.


it may work, but damn is it fugly!

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true, but at this point, function over form imo.

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I can get youa hood to hack up....


I'm just sayin.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:37 am 
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Lucas_Harman wrote:
monday wrote:

this looks perfect. just dont want to pay $400 for it.


it may work, but damn is it fugly!

I'm.........Batman! :rofl: :tongue:









I agree on the prices.

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:38 am 
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DOHC5spd2Dr wrote:
I can get youa hood to hack up....

I'd hack a couple of slots in the appropriate areas and probably break a little louver upward at the leading edges of them. I think that would be an awesome first test.

And X3 on the price and "fugly" comments. I'd say that since you have the front pinned already it would be super simple to take whatever hacked up hood you end up liking for function and pulling a fiberglass/carbon (or if you're really high tech kevlar/carbon) skin off of it for your final lightweight piece.

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:35 pm 
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PM sent about hood.

nice job too!!! :good:

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:44 am 
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and function b4 form FTW awesome car have you also thought of venting the air from ur front wheel wells yet that would help you as well

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:31 pm 
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try this hood form VIS
http://www.visracing.com/newcatalog/Dod ... -Hood.html

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:41 pm 
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loroku wrote:
try this hood form VIS



:Barf:

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:18 pm 
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loroku wrote:

That's actually the hood I had! Lol.

It always reminds me of a rinocerous though :rofl:

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:00 pm 
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loroku wrote:
was the mag Grassroots Motorsports may 2010
and function b4 form FTW awesome car have you also thought of venting the air from ur front wheel wells yet that would help you as well


yes i believe thats where i read it. great article.

im going to get a stock hood and play around with it. (thanks schylor!)

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 Post subject: Re: MONDAY'S turbo acr **10.37@146.7**
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:08 pm 
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who would have thought making 575whp 9 pulls in a row could be so aggravating?

was on the dyno for an hour tonight trying to get this msd boost controller figured out. was doing exactly what the instructions said to for my scenario, but made no progress. still having 3psi variance during a pull and the pwm of the noids are maxing out in either direction. only thing i could actually change was the rate of gain. even tried hooking the noids up different with no success.

looks like im ditching it and going a different route. anyone interested in giving it a shot? i will make you a KILLER deal on it,brand new AEM 5-bar map sensor included, ready to rock. pm me :wink:

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