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Elgreco
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:00 pm |
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Una wrote: VERY few being the key word here. But hey, if you did have one land in your lap, it would be a great option. Might as well stick with the 3.5, since it's got better hp/tq than even the 3.8.. Double the valves.. :) Something I have wanted to do is make an intrepid rwd with a tranny from a charger. I wonder how hard that would be.
_________________ 98 sohc jade coupe mtx - stockish 86 dodge daytona turbo z c/s - awaiting built motor and built atx
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fusion210
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:02 pm |
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Elgreco wrote: All the 3.0 needs is some forged pistons and it will handle just about anything you throw at it. All 6gxx series mitsu engines have forged rods from the factory. Also, a 3.0 5 speed shadow can quite easily run 14's with bolt ons, and the neon is lighter. I think this swap is great, because everyone hates on it. That's pretty cool. I seem to remember a few 3.0l builds at turbododge.com which were impressive.
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CUDAGUY
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:30 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:37 pm Posts: 1253 Location: Portland OR
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how about a new 4.0L with the strat R/T trans and a pair of turbos...........Instantly twice the displacement ......then turbos! it would be cool to fit it all under the hood of a base neon but I doubt it someone needs to try it!
_________________ Member# 18554 LOL 98 Hiline sedan (White Lightning)--SOHC/3.94/.81, stock......but not for this car-15.55@90 new times in a few months--project log- viewtopic.php?f=51&t=341796 66 Cuda S (Hairy Canary)--318/904---14.6@97 (needs slicks) 66 Valiant wagon (Scary Canary)--273/904 64 Dart GT hardtop, slant six, push button, for sale PM me http://www.myspace.com/1966cudaguy
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Una
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:09 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:09 pm Posts: 3288 Location: Olalla, WA
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Elgreco wrote: Una wrote: VERY few being the key word here. But hey, if you did have one land in your lap, it would be a great option. Might as well stick with the 3.5, since it's got better hp/tq than even the 3.8.. Double the valves.. :) Something I have wanted to do is make an intrepid rwd with a tranny from a charger. I wonder how hard that would be. Keep the funky intrepid transmission, and make it a mid engine RWD... fusion210 wrote: That's pretty cool. I seem to remember a few 3.0l builds at turbododge.com which were impressive. The only thing impressive was how many times the engine didn't work after dumping metric tons of money into a one off custom setup. That first one must have come back out of the car and gone back to the machine shop a full 6 times before they finally got it to even run right. In the end, it dyno'd 500hp.. Yeah, great for a 150hp 3.0 motor.. But again, the 2.4 can beat that with less work/custom parts/money. And still get better gas mileage because of it's lower displacement.
_________________ '88 Dodge Omni with a 2.4L E85 turbo motor - 41te swap in progress. MegaShift '90 Plymouth Voyager LX - 2.0 DOHC, SRT4 turbo, Sequential MegaSquirt Links to my project logs
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CUDAGUY
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:57 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:37 pm Posts: 1253 Location: Portland OR
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intrepids never came with a 'real' stick option tho, just that stupid autostick
_________________ Member# 18554 LOL 98 Hiline sedan (White Lightning)--SOHC/3.94/.81, stock......but not for this car-15.55@90 new times in a few months--project log- viewtopic.php?f=51&t=341796 66 Cuda S (Hairy Canary)--318/904---14.6@97 (needs slicks) 66 Valiant wagon (Scary Canary)--273/904 64 Dart GT hardtop, slant six, push button, for sale PM me http://www.myspace.com/1966cudaguy
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Elgreco
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:55 pm |
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Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:56 pm Posts: 356 Location: Syracuse NY
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Una wrote: The only thing impressive was how many times the engine didn't work after dumping metric tons of money into a one off custom setup. That first one must have come back out of the car and gone back to the machine shop a full 6 times before they finally got it to even run right. In the end, it dyno'd 500hp.. Yeah, great for a 150hp 3.0 motor.. But again, the 2.4 can beat that with less work/custom parts/money. And still get better gas mileage because of it's lower displacement. And then he went and picked up a junkyard 3.0 for less than 100$, threw all the turbo stuff on it, put some e85 in the tank, ran 11's with stock electronics.
_________________ 98 sohc jade coupe mtx - stockish 86 dodge daytona turbo z c/s - awaiting built motor and built atx
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Una
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:45 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:09 pm Posts: 3288 Location: Olalla, WA
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Elgreco wrote: ]And then he went and picked up a junkyard 3.0 for less than 100$, threw all the turbo stuff on it, put some e85 in the tank, ran 11's with stock electronics. Yeah, sure he did.. That story is so full of crap...
_________________ '88 Dodge Omni with a 2.4L E85 turbo motor - 41te swap in progress. MegaShift '90 Plymouth Voyager LX - 2.0 DOHC, SRT4 turbo, Sequential MegaSquirt Links to my project logs
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Elgreco
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:50 am |
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Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:56 pm Posts: 356 Location: Syracuse NY
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Una wrote: Yeah, sure he did.. That story is so full of crap... Lol, he has pictures of him putting the junkyard 3.0 in the car and then a video of it running 11's.
_________________ 98 sohc jade coupe mtx - stockish 86 dodge daytona turbo z c/s - awaiting built motor and built atx
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fusion210
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:06 pm |
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neon_freak
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:01 pm |
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thats crazy!
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Una
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:17 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:09 pm Posts: 3288 Location: Olalla, WA
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It's a load of crap. You can be/do anything on the internet. Doesn't make it real.
_________________ '88 Dodge Omni with a 2.4L E85 turbo motor - 41te swap in progress. MegaShift '90 Plymouth Voyager LX - 2.0 DOHC, SRT4 turbo, Sequential MegaSquirt Links to my project logs
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nineneon
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:25 pm |
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Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:44 pm Posts: 992 Location: OOtah
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Una wrote: It's a load of crap. You can be/do anything on the internet. Doesn't make it real. una dont hate cuz your omni is slower than brents duster  thats ondonti's( http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f6 ... boost.html) car from utah iv seen this car run 11's on the jy motor which blew up about 3 weeks ago that car was stupid fast. also if you couldnt tell from the video anything and everything that doesnt need to be on the car has been removed it has mad weight redux lexan windows and what not.
_________________ 2.4T inside horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
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braindamage
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:52 pm |
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Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:43 pm Posts: 1455 Location: Deltona Fl
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http://www.modernracer.com/dodgestratus.htmlthats the swap i'm waiting for.... brother has one... we've agreed if it gets wrecked my neon becomes the next 3.0l
_________________ "See, I'm a man of simple tastes. I like dynamite, and gunpowder... And gasoline! Do you know what all of these things have in common? They're cheap!"
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neontj
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:03 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:37 pm Posts: 317 Location: ohio
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seen a 2.5 v6 in a neon running and driving no i dont have freakin pics.guy used the stratus pcm and wiring and mated it to the neon rear section and it was running 15.9s in the 1/4. fit good and was a decent job and fit under the stock hood to boot.thought id throw this in too.
_________________ 00 neon atx- yard ornament, awaiting long needed build. 00 neon mtx-sold finally 96 neon atx- crashed and parted. parts for sale lots a good body parts. 98 neon mtx- d.d. right now. gonna be big when it happens.
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joncot1812
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:56 pm |
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threre are a lot of haters in here right now, anybody notice how damn clean the engine bay looked???
_________________ 98 R/T 3.94, 2.4, p&p, udp, lth, 2.0 cams, 24lb injectors, 58psi reg, mopar ecu, indy intake, atx tb, solid mounts all the way around, extreme weight redux, Zex nitrous Soon to be boosted, squirted, and sprayed!
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edonsohc
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:30 pm |
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Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:40 pm Posts: 581 Location: edon, ohio
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v6 gonna be at norwalk this weekend. nothing more done to it, he just doesnt have anything else to race at the moment.
_________________ 96 neon SOHC, 16g turbo, srt4 intercooler, wiseco pistons on eagle rods, port & polished head, 55mm throttlebody, crane #12 cam, AUTO trans w/ forward pattern manual valvebody. project log...viewtopic.php?f=51&t=350684
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Tjabo
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:02 am |
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I'll give the guy big props on the swap!
I think the negativity is a reflection of peoples' disappointment that something that sounds like such a cool idea is just not real fast. The 4-bangers are kind of ridiculous in terms of big power from a small package.
I do like the heck out of that duster. I wish they would have turned down the music in the mix when they fired it up. Sounded like it might have had a really cool sounding exhaust note.
Thad
_________________ --'98 ACR Autocrosser/Driver, 140k mile DOHC Swap, Crane 18s, 58mm TB, ARP Rod Bolts, DNP Mani>Billet wheel SC6265sp 14.5psi Boost Creeping to 20.5psi, Coolingmist Water/Methanol Injection, MS3 Alpha Code, Quaife, PT Clutch, Homebrew Coilovers and 3" Aluminum Exhaust--13.2@115 w/2.355 60ft exactly as driven to work. 312 SAE WHP on an overly rich tune. --'97 M5 look 540i/6spd--Sounds like a car oughta sound! But the Neon's faster. . .
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NickKo
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:46 am |
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fusion210 wrote: So many negative Nancies.
3.0l looks to make 130-140hp in the minivan. That plus an automatic seems very decent. I can't remember if anyone has taken a *stock* 2.4/auto in a neon, down the 1/4 mile.
He didn't even list the rest of the time slip, the elevation of the track or the conditions, but everyone is jumping all over it running 16.35. I've seen countless neons at the track and (mostly) on here that should be much, much faster. But alas, they aren't.
I'm sure it wouldn't take much more than tires and a few bolt ons to get into the 14s, but it doesn't sound like the owner cares about focusing on time slips. Good points in here. True, it doesn't sound like the owner is trying to maximize his 1/4mi. times. Heck, in OUR hands, we'd have a better chance of turning it into a terror. HOWEVER, since this car is obviously *very experimental*, it is just a 'starting point'.There is room for improvement. Now, dealing with a 'hybrid' car like this, opens up new possibilities..... but also opens up new problems. What bolt ons are available ?? What bolt-ons will fit ?? What bolt-ons won't fit ?? What / How to do engine management ?? Obviously, MPG will go down. (compared to a 4-cylinder) I'm sure handling will be affected, too..... most likely in a negative way.... there goes the crisp handling of the Neon. On the plus side, torque would go up (but some of that will probably be offset by weight gain.) The big challenge it to do a swap like this, without affecting the integrity of the entire vehicle.It may improve the car. It also could be a step backwards if not done properly. Sure, with torches and fabrication, it would be possible to put a 440 V-8 into a Neon as well..... but that would require so much modification, it would be like ending up with a different car. A Neon with a 440 swap, would end up driving / feeling like an old A-body Dart with a big-block, but with rack and pinion instead, and worse weight distribution. I give kudos to the owner, for making this V-6 swap actually run AND drive in a Neon. That's just the starting point !! Now comes the hard part..... getting it to run better, in a car that was never designed for a larger engine in the first place. - Nick
_________________ -1995 4-dr SOHC ATX= "Organ Donor" -1998 2-dr SOHC MTX= 52mm TB; Maddog STS -1999 4-dr DOHC ATX= UDP, Kirk Intake -2000 Ply.LX with MTX = Maddog STS; CAI; Magnaflow muffler
-1971 Ply.Scamp SL6cyl. (TRADED for '83 Ddg.Rampage) -1968 Chry.300 w/440 V8 (sold) "MoPar or No Car"
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edonsohc
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:58 pm |
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Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:40 pm Posts: 581 Location: edon, ohio
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v6 went 15.82@84mph. i would like to see a stock auto neon run that kind of time. motor has 200,000 miles on it. like stated before, not purpose built for drag racing. just having some fun.
_________________ 96 neon SOHC, 16g turbo, srt4 intercooler, wiseco pistons on eagle rods, port & polished head, 55mm throttlebody, crane #12 cam, AUTO trans w/ forward pattern manual valvebody. project log...viewtopic.php?f=51&t=350684
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NickKo
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:14 pm |
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edonsohc wrote: v6 went 15.82@84mph. i would like to see a stock auto neon run that kind of time. Now that is much better. - Nick
_________________ -1995 4-dr SOHC ATX= "Organ Donor" -1998 2-dr SOHC MTX= 52mm TB; Maddog STS -1999 4-dr DOHC ATX= UDP, Kirk Intake -2000 Ply.LX with MTX = Maddog STS; CAI; Magnaflow muffler
-1971 Ply.Scamp SL6cyl. (TRADED for '83 Ddg.Rampage) -1968 Chry.300 w/440 V8 (sold) "MoPar or No Car"
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PA ACR
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:58 pm |
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here are the pics of the one I took at the NATS 2 summers ago. the owner was just about to leave and I asked him if I could shoot a few pics.....so I only got to talk to him for several minutes.    Una wrote: One last heckle... I dare you to change the rear spark plugs without pulling the motor.. ;) 
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edonsohc
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:16 am |
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Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:40 pm Posts: 581 Location: edon, ohio
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3.3L? i think thats what the valve cover says. what's up w/ the dash?
_________________ 96 neon SOHC, 16g turbo, srt4 intercooler, wiseco pistons on eagle rods, port & polished head, 55mm throttlebody, crane #12 cam, AUTO trans w/ forward pattern manual valvebody. project log...viewtopic.php?f=51&t=350684
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Tjabo
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:50 am |
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Man, I love the simplicity of 4-bangers. Looking at this car and thinking about working on it makes me tired. That, or working on 4-bangers has made me lazy. . . . .
_________________ --'98 ACR Autocrosser/Driver, 140k mile DOHC Swap, Crane 18s, 58mm TB, ARP Rod Bolts, DNP Mani>Billet wheel SC6265sp 14.5psi Boost Creeping to 20.5psi, Coolingmist Water/Methanol Injection, MS3 Alpha Code, Quaife, PT Clutch, Homebrew Coilovers and 3" Aluminum Exhaust--13.2@115 w/2.355 60ft exactly as driven to work. 312 SAE WHP on an overly rich tune. --'97 M5 look 540i/6spd--Sounds like a car oughta sound! But the Neon's faster. . .
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NickKo
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:50 pm |
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Tjabo wrote: Man, I love the simplicity of 4-bangers. Looking at this car and thinking about working on it makes me tired. That, or working on 4-bangers has made me lazy. . . . . You know, you have a point..... - Nick
_________________ -1995 4-dr SOHC ATX= "Organ Donor" -1998 2-dr SOHC MTX= 52mm TB; Maddog STS -1999 4-dr DOHC ATX= UDP, Kirk Intake -2000 Ply.LX with MTX = Maddog STS; CAI; Magnaflow muffler
-1971 Ply.Scamp SL6cyl. (TRADED for '83 Ddg.Rampage) -1968 Chry.300 w/440 V8 (sold) "MoPar or No Car"
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PA ACR
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Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics! Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:26 pm |
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