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 Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:00 pm 
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Una wrote:
VERY few being the key word here. But hey, if you did have one land in your lap, it would be a great option. Might as well stick with the 3.5, since it's got better hp/tq than even the 3.8.. Double the valves.. :)
Something I have wanted to do is make an intrepid rwd with a tranny from a charger. I wonder how hard that would be.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:02 pm 
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All the 3.0 needs is some forged pistons and it will handle just about anything you throw at it. All 6gxx series mitsu engines have forged rods from the factory. Also, a 3.0 5 speed shadow can quite easily run 14's with bolt ons, and the neon is lighter. I think this swap is great, because everyone hates on it.

That's pretty cool. I seem to remember a few 3.0l builds at turbododge.com which were impressive.

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how about a new 4.0L with the strat R/T trans and a pair of turbos...........Instantly twice the displacement ......then turbos! it would be cool to fit it all under the hood of a base neon but I doubt it :grin:

someone needs to try it!

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Elgreco wrote:
Una wrote:
VERY few being the key word here. But hey, if you did have one land in your lap, it would be a great option. Might as well stick with the 3.5, since it's got better hp/tq than even the 3.8.. Double the valves.. :)
Something I have wanted to do is make an intrepid rwd with a tranny from a charger. I wonder how hard that would be.

Keep the funky intrepid transmission, and make it a mid engine RWD...
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That's pretty cool. I seem to remember a few 3.0l builds at turbododge.com which were impressive.

The only thing impressive was how many times the engine didn't work after dumping metric tons of money into a one off custom setup. That first one must have come back out of the car and gone back to the machine shop a full 6 times before they finally got it to even run right. In the end, it dyno'd 500hp.. Yeah, great for a 150hp 3.0 motor.. But again, the 2.4 can beat that with less work/custom parts/money. And still get better gas mileage because of it's lower displacement.

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intrepids never came with a 'real' stick option tho, just that stupid autostick

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The only thing impressive was how many times the engine didn't work after dumping metric tons of money into a one off custom setup. That first one must have come back out of the car and gone back to the machine shop a full 6 times before they finally got it to even run right. In the end, it dyno'd 500hp.. Yeah, great for a 150hp 3.0 motor.. But again, the 2.4 can beat that with less work/custom parts/money. And still get better gas mileage because of it's lower displacement.
And then he went and picked up a junkyard 3.0 for less than 100$, threw all the turbo stuff on it, put some e85 in the tank, ran 11's with stock electronics.

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]And then he went and picked up a junkyard 3.0 for less than 100$, threw all the turbo stuff on it, put some e85 in the tank, ran 11's with stock electronics.

Yeah, sure he did.. That story is so full of crap...

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Yeah, sure he did.. That story is so full of crap...
Lol, he has pictures of him putting the junkyard 3.0 in the car and then a video of it running 11's.

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He has video :)

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/90-J ... 649313.htm

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It's a load of crap. You can be/do anything on the internet. Doesn't make it real.

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It's a load of crap. You can be/do anything on the internet. Doesn't make it real.

una dont hate cuz your omni is slower than brents duster :lol: thats ondonti's(http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f11/f6 ... boost.html) car from utah iv seen this car run 11's on the jy motor which blew up about 3 weeks ago that car was stupid fast. also if you couldnt tell from the video anything and everything that doesnt need to be on the car has been removed it has mad weight redux lexan windows and what not.

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thats the swap i'm waiting for....

brother has one... we've agreed if it gets wrecked my neon becomes the next 3.0l

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seen a 2.5 v6 in a neon running and driving no i dont have freakin pics.guy used the stratus pcm and wiring and mated it to the neon rear section and it was running 15.9s in the 1/4. fit good and was a decent job and fit under the stock hood to boot.thought id throw this in too.

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threre are a lot of haters in here right now, anybody notice how damn clean the engine bay looked???

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v6 gonna be at norwalk this weekend. nothing more done to it, he just doesnt have anything else to race at the moment.

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I'll give the guy big props on the swap!

I think the negativity is a reflection of peoples' disappointment that something that sounds like such a cool idea is just not real fast. The 4-bangers are kind of ridiculous in terms of big power from a small package.

I do like the heck out of that duster. I wish they would have turned down the music in the mix when they fired it up. Sounded like it might have had a really cool sounding exhaust note.

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So many negative Nancies.

3.0l looks to make 130-140hp in the minivan. That plus an automatic seems very decent. I can't remember if anyone has taken a *stock* 2.4/auto in a neon, down the 1/4 mile.

He didn't even list the rest of the time slip, the elevation of the track or the conditions, but everyone is jumping all over it running 16.35. I've seen countless neons at the track and (mostly) on here that should be much, much faster. But alas, they aren't.

I'm sure it wouldn't take much more than tires and a few bolt ons to get into the 14s, but it doesn't sound like the owner cares about focusing on time slips.

Good points in here.

True, it doesn't sound like the owner is trying to maximize his 1/4mi. times.
Heck, in OUR hands, we'd have a better chance of turning it into a terror.

HOWEVER, since this car is obviously *very experimental*, it is just a 'starting point'.
There is room for improvement.

Now, dealing with a 'hybrid' car like this, opens up new possibilities..... but also opens up new problems.
What bolt ons are available ?? What bolt-ons will fit ?? What bolt-ons won't fit ?? What / How to do engine management ??


Obviously, MPG will go down. (compared to a 4-cylinder)
I'm sure handling will be affected, too..... most likely in a negative way.... there goes the crisp handling of the Neon.
On the plus side, torque would go up (but some of that will probably be offset by weight gain.)


The big challenge it to do a swap like this, without affecting the integrity of the entire vehicle.
It may improve the car. It also could be a step backwards if not done properly.
Sure, with torches and fabrication, it would be possible to put a 440 V-8 into a Neon as well..... but that would require so much modification, it would be like ending up with a different car.
A Neon with a 440 swap, would end up driving / feeling like an old A-body Dart with a big-block, but with rack and pinion instead, and worse weight distribution. :pardon:


I give kudos to the owner, for making this V-6 swap actually run AND drive in a Neon. That's just the starting point !!
Now comes the hard part..... getting it to run better, in a car that was never designed for a larger engine in the first place.

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v6 went 15.82@84mph. i would like to see a stock auto neon run that kind of time. motor has 200,000 miles on it. like stated before, not purpose built for drag racing. just having some fun.

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edonsohc wrote:
v6 went 15.82@84mph. i would like to see a stock auto neon run that kind of time.

Now that is much better.

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here are the pics of the one I took at the NATS 2 summers ago. the owner was just about to leave and I asked him if I could shoot a few pics.....so I only got to talk to him for several minutes.

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3.3L? i think thats what the valve cover says. what's up w/ the dash?

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Man, I love the simplicity of 4-bangers. Looking at this car and thinking about working on it makes me tired. That, or working on 4-bangers has made me lazy. . . . .

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Man, I love the simplicity of 4-bangers. Looking at this car and thinking about working on it makes me tired. That, or working on 4-bangers has made me lazy. . . . .

You know, you have a point..... :smile:

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3.3L? i think thats what the valve cover says. what's up w/ the dash?



My guess is easier access to the engine compartment. :dunno:

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3.3L? i think thats what the valve cover says. what's up w/ the dash?



My guess is easier access to the engine compartment. :dunno:

Yeah, that or the firewall had to be seriously reworked to clear the engine.

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That dash and console cover looks like it's just waiting to peel the skin off your extremities. . . :shock:

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i hate that motor! the one that pa took a picture of. gotta remove the master cylinder to remove the distributor.. its hard to work on. ive driven a 2.7 sebring with a 5 spd. its ok. pretty heavy car though.. my r/t was faster

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Here is a project I've seen a few years ago. It was the first time I saw a v6 Neon attempted.

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when i saw this thread had a new post, i was gonna say, "so when you gonna throw a sc on that thing" then i scrolled down and saw the v6 supercharged, lol weird. car is crazy. id put a hitch on it and use it to tow stuff

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 Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:27 pm 
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and who said you cant throw boost at a 3L? :grin:

I still cant tell if that car was a stick or an auto :dunno:

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 Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics!
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hood would look way better if it was evenly centered

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CUDAGUY wrote:
and who said you cant throw boost at a 3L? :grin:

I still cant tell if that car was a stick or an auto :dunno:
The 3.0 loves boost...

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Funny! ! ! :rofl:

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 Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics!
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that sc'ed v6 is old!! thats the one i was thinking of. looks like a gm 3.8 v6 supercharger

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Wow, very uncool Posts here Una. I expect a PUBLIC apology.
Considering there are plenty of neon guys in utah who know me too, as well as administrators on the only turbododge website you are even allowed to be a member of. And they have all seen the car, ridden in it, worked on it, helped in some way, or just know a lot about the car.


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Public apology my arse. You've ruined the TD scene with your mitsu motor love. You're the TD antichrist. :rofl:

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What a mighty small man.


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 Post subject: Re: v-6 neon. now w/ pics!
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what?

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