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b18a1ef
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Post subject: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:44 pm |
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Im goin bug eyed looking for the right size for my setup. Basically it is a stock setup right now. Suspension...all stock, ride height...all stock. Some say certain sizes are too big to fit others say they will.
I just dont know what size. Yes I am going to be using the stock 14" steel wheel. This is a budget build.
I cant go to the track unless I have slicks. Otherwise it is a waste of time for me. I want improved numbers everytime I go and I wont improve until I get the right tires.
Now I know how most of you feel about Drag radials but I dont know what else to do.
Any help would be grateful.
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fattirebicycles
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:27 pm |
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Get axles. you will break the driver's one at least on slicks.
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INVUJerry
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:57 pm |
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24.5x8x14 will fit on a stock wheel, and go under a stock strut, at worst, you may need a small spacer. That will give you the traction you want.
_________________ 1995 Dodge Neon ACR NYG Sedan - broken/1993 Plymouth Voyager - 5 speed/1989 Plymouth Reliant - wife beater

jimbo in MI wrote: Jerry is right.
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rt1092
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:14 am |
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Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:47 pm Posts: 1378 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia
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24.5 inch tall slicks might be a bit to tall for a stock setup. I think 20 X 8 X 14's would be better or maybe 20 X 6 X 14's (mickey thompson has a couple of sets left at clearance prices).
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:26 am |
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rt1092 wrote: 24.5 inch tall slicks might be a bit to tall for a stock setup. I think 20 X 8 X 14's would be better or maybe 20 X 6 X 14's (mickey thompson has a couple of sets left at clearance prices). Not for a turbo car. He can use all the traction he can get. His bigger problem is making more power than the drivetrain can handle.
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rt1092
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:13 pm |
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Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:47 pm Posts: 1378 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia
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I just noticed the turbo in his signature I thought he was stock N/A I've been racing NHRA too long I tend to focus on their classifications. 20 inch would be to short for a turbo app.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:41 pm |
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Holy hell I used to get email notifications about replies but not anymore. I will be slowly upgrading the drivetrain but for now I just need to be able to hook. Do you think Drag Radials would be a lil easier on a stock drivetrain? Keep in mind I am running an automatic.  Im sure that changes things. Im not launching as hard as the manuals would be. Im sitting on the converter rather then dropping the clutch at high rpm's. By the way...Who makes slicks in this 24.5x8x14 size? I cant find any.
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rt1092
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:18 am |
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b18a1ef wrote: Holy hell I used to get email notifications about replies but not anymore. I will be slowly upgrading the drivetrain but for now I just need to be able to hook. Do you think Drag Radials would be a lil easier on a stock drivetrain? Keep in mind I am running an automatic.  Im sure that changes things. Im not launching as hard as the manuals would be. Im sitting on the converter rather then dropping the clutch at high rpm's. By the way...Who makes slicks in this 24.5x8x14 size? I cant find any. I think Mickey Thompson makes that size. You have to make sure you don't have wheel hop that will break parts more than dead hook.
_________________ 2012 NHRA Record Holder Superstock Neon SS/GS 12.69 2013 South Georgia Motorsports Park 12.582 @ 108. Number 1 qualifier in Super Stock 2013 Gator Nationals 12.602 @ 92.40 mph
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:34 pm |
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No I checked and no one that I searched for had any in that size. I swear I never had this much trouble figuring anything out before.
Can I have wheel hop with an auto? I never heard of anyone with an auto say they had wheel hop. FWD that is.
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INVUJerry
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:00 pm |
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This is weird. I know that M/T used to have a 24.5x8x14 slick. And M&H had a 24.5x8.5x14 slick. I can't find either on google for sale, except for used. what is going on?
You may have to go to a 15" wheel to get a decent tire now, and this sucks.
I haven't heard much of wheel hop in autos, as long as you're leaving off the converter. Leaving off a trans break will start to break lots of stuff.
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jimbo in MI wrote: Jerry is right.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:16 pm |
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Thats what im saying. Cant find anything other then 15's.I was hoping for staying with 14's or even going with 13's to keep the rotational mass down. But I cant even find a wheel that is 13" 5x100 with neon offset.
But I guess I will just have to go with PT steelies and slicks and just deal with it.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:45 pm |
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I know, it's very hard to find an affordable 13" wheel. Diamond racing makes custom steel wheels, they're about $120 a wheel last I checked.
_________________ 1995 Dodge Neon ACR NYG Sedan - broken/1993 Plymouth Voyager - 5 speed/1989 Plymouth Reliant - wife beater

jimbo in MI wrote: Jerry is right.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:47 pm |
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Well I checked the local Pull a part and they have 2 2000 neons there. So as far as I have found, they should have 15's. So I will be going there this weekend to pull 2 wheels and next weekend I will be making a run down to Summit Racing to pick up the slicks. They do have the 24.5x8x15 in stock. >>>> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MTT-3015/
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:05 pm |
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with an ATX i would think the smaller tires might be a wiser choice.
how high can you rev your motor?
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:10 pm |
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superD wrote: with an ATX i would think the smaller tires might be a wiser choice.
how high can you rev your motor? Smaller as in 13"-14"? Or I can go with 15's but go with a smaller overall diameter? I can rev to about 6700 rpm.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:33 pm |
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b18a1ef wrote: superD wrote: with an ATX i would think the smaller tires might be a wiser choice.
how high can you rev your motor? Smaller as in 13"-14"? Or I can go with 15's but go with a smaller overall diameter? I can rev to about 6700 rpm. i would run these. http://www.jegs.com/i/M-H/676/MHR-03/10 ... tId=752027your FD through the trans is too tall (2.89 or 3.19 depending on ATX or DOHC ATX trans) in third gear. smaller tires will give you a shorter effective FD and help get the car moving. and top speed isn't an issue. you can do 150MPH in third at 6,700 with those tires.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:38 pm |
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Honestly, Im not worried about the final drive because im slapping into 3rd gear just as I pass the traps at the end of my run. Unless you suggest otherwise. And it is a SOHC ATX.
Where can I find a OEM or aftermarket 13" wheel? I cant find one ANYWHERE.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:40 pm |
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This is what I have been looking at getting since I cant find a 13" wheel or find a 14" slick within specs. >>> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MNH-MHR21/
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:59 pm |
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There's also these, that are about an inch shorter than the M&H tires. Link Here They are 22x8x15's, $175 a tire.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:03 pm |
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I thought about those but I figured they were too small.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 1:02 pm |
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They're only about an inch shorter than a stock tire size, so they'll be okay. You don't have to worry about wheel hop as much since you're leaving off a convertor, so the shorter tires wont hurt you too bad.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:54 am |
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Does it leave the line slow and then wake up now or is it actually launching hard? I'm inclined to point you toward the shorter tires. I know those 3-speeds take forever to wake up, and the short tires would help a ton with that.
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:12 pm |
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you can get custom diamond racing wheels in 13's for like 150 a pair. any offset or width you please too
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:07 pm |
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esteinmaier wrote: Does it leave the line slow and then wake up now or is it actually launching hard? I'm inclined to point you toward the shorter tires. I know those 3-speeds take forever to wake up, and the short tires would help a ton with that. It launches pretty well but yes it does seem to wake up as I get going. Im on foot brake at about 2600rpm or so + or -. I have street tires on there now with about 18lbs or 20lbs in them and it seems to grab better but im still losing traction but not as much as before. I was told by M&H to run these based on my setup>>>>> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MNH-MHR21/
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Post subject: Re: Yes another question about drag slicks...... Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:08 pm |
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Capiton23 wrote: you can get custom diamond racing wheels in 13's for like 150 a pair. any offset or width you please too I thought about going that route but decided not to right now. Thanx though.
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