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 Post subject: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:15 pm 
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Can a 96 mustang throttle body work on the neons and does it bolt on I have A intake manifold for it what modification to make it work. :scratch: its 65mm throttle body


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:36 pm 
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Can a 96 mustang throttle body work on the neons
Yes, with work.

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and does it bolt on

Not even close.
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I have A intake manifold for it what modification to make it work.

Cutting, machining, welding for a start.

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its a 65mm throttle body


Which is way overkill for most Neons. You will probably gain nothing over an ATX throttle body, especially if you have very few mods. Bigger is not always better for throttle bodies.

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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:21 am 
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My amm intake manifold is already made up to 65mm throttle body

My mods right now are
Dohc 2.0

Crower stage 3 3/4s cams
Slightly ported head and shaved to 40 to give me 10:5:1 compression
Amm long runners box intake manifold and race ported
Mpx 60mm throttle body
Adjustable cam gears
2.5 inch exhaust
Obx long tube header
3 inch. Cold air intake with velocity stack and 6 inch filter
NGK iridium plugs
Performance wires
Demon coil
Stock block 2.0l
Mopar performance pcm
Apexi neo
Under drive pulley
No a/c
No power steering
3.94 trans
Clutchmaster stage 1 clutch stock flywheel
Maddog short shifter
Bfgoodrich drag radials tires

I think it will bolt up but what mods to make the mustang 65mm throttle body to make it work and car running with it on


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:39 am 
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By the way its for an all motor setup along with crane 22 and 12:1 pistons.020. Over with rods and an aem ems 4 that I will be getting next year also. Right now as listed I could use it. With the Crower stage 3


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:05 pm 
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Let me know


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:11 am 
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Even with all that, a 60mm will be closer to your goals. It will still fall flat on it's face at WOT with a 65 for 75% of the throttle opening,unless you are spinning over 7000 RPM all the time.

Out of all those mods listed, the only ones that will make a difference in TB selection are the cams, IM, slight porting,and header. Nothing else really matters, other than the gearing, which will help a little with too much throttle bogging.

The difference that 5mm makes is night and day for driveabilty. You will be slower, due to having to back off the throttle to start pulling. Your foot is not quick enough to make all the little adjustments to keep the velocity and manifold pressure making magic. If it was an e throttle, (PCM controlled) you might actually gain form a 65mm.

But to answer your question anyways, to use the Ford Mustang/Thunderbird/Pick up TB, it depends on how the inlet of your AAM manifold is configured. If it is set up for the slip on coupler that 2gns use, you will have to either modify the IM for a flange, or make a flange to couple to the IM.

If it is for a 1gn style, you could just change the flange/make an adapter. The TB will need the cable end modified to bolt on a neon cable pulley.
This was made for a 2gn style IM:
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If you want to use the neon TPS, you need to get creative.
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I have a "How To" on 2gn.org for adapting the TPS. In most cases the Ford TPS will work, but you need to cut and splice wires. I did this mainly because the Ford TPS I had was too high on the voltage. The throttle was more like a hysterical child/on-off switch.

This is my current evolving version:
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The purple fuel rail was so I could easily distinguish it from the other as it has 24 lb injectors for E85...


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:22 pm 
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Can u use a 96-99 mustang throttle body just want to know its different than the one on the pic


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:24 pm 
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Wont need the IAC just the tips and that's all. Car will start without the iac on my car by the ideal screw


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Also what year mustang injectors fit the neon the 24lbs


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:20 pm 
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The one in the pic is an '86 through '93?

As long as a given TB is not PCM controlled, it can be adapted to work. It depends on how much effort you want to put forth.
The pic was just an example of what can be done. I'm not sure on the injectors. Which ones, would also depend on the year of neon.


FWIW, I got that TB from Ebay for $25. Granted you may already have one for free?, but the one pictured has been successfully used by numerous ppl. You would be going into uncharted territory,with the '96, so most things with it you will have to work out on your own. But as long as you can make a reliable throttle cable connection, and a good TPS signal, the rest is easy.


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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:14 pm 
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The 96 tb is off of a 4.6? If so still the same tps reading.. cut n splice wires is your best bet and follow the old 5l tb swap how tos.. and do a remote mount iac like the one in the pic.. who cares then what your threottle body is off of. Cable routing is easily solved with modifing the bracket and afixing the cable to the mustang cam. Mine was zip tied into the hole.. it was just for testing purposes.. and later deemed to much for my setup.

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 Post subject: Re: 96 mustang throttle body
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:35 pm 
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It will probably work since I will go from stage 3 cams to crane22 later on like said post up top with 12:1 compression pistons and rods for now its probaly be k with the crower stage 3 for now


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