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 Post subject: MSD DIS-2 Problem again!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:16 pm 
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I got everything installed correctly. I also got a tach adapter. The power for the MSD comes from the battery and the ground goes to the frame.

It some times runs like complete leaf spring juice and other times it runs really strong. The guy i spoke with on the phone from MSD said i should run my ground to the negative as well. Would this make the problem go away? It acts as if it is losing its signal still i guess.

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I would pick up my power from the PDC + post to avoid the corrosion issues at the battery.
I would run my ground on the motor.
If you have not relocated the battery the battery negative is on the motor.
There is also a ground cable that goes from the body to the bellhousing, this is where the motor get its ground with a relocated battery (unless you have made other connections). Verify this cable is in place and in good condition.

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I had the same type of problems with my DIS 2 Intermitent would run okay for a while then it would miss, pop, and everything else. One leg og the unit would quit at times. Causing me all sorts of grief.
We found out it was the DIS 2 Put a new one on and cleared the problem up.
If it's an older style, and its "potted" it's junk it can't be fixed. Newer style can be fixed.
I did away with the MSD completely switched to a ViPEC ECU.
I have A DIS 2 Plus that has been checked out by MSD
It's on Ebay not the cheapest but it's almost new and it's guaranteed
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The OP should also eliminate other sources of trouble, like the crank trigger and the wire harness to the trigger.

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I had the same type of problems with my DIS 2 Intermitent would run okay for a while then it would miss, pop, and everything else. One leg og the unit would quit at times. Causing me all sorts of grief.
We found out it was the DIS 2 Put a new one on and cleared the problem up.
If it's an older style, and its "potted" it's junk it can't be fixed. Newer style can be fixed.
I did away with the MSD completely switched to a ViPEC ECU.
I have A DIS 2 Plus that has been checked out by MSD
It's on Ebay not the cheapest but it's almost new and it's guaranteed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0317077181


I have the "Digital DIS-2" version if that matters at all..

What do you mean by Potted?

How much does it cost for MSD to check it out?

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I had the same type of problems with my DIS 2 Intermitent would run okay for a while then it would miss, pop, and everything else. One leg og the unit would quit at times. Causing me all sorts of grief.
We found out it was the DIS 2 Put a new one on and cleared the problem up.
If it's an older style, and its "potted" it's junk it can't be fixed. Newer style can be fixed.
I did away with the MSD completely switched to a ViPEC ECU.
I have A DIS 2 Plus that has been checked out by MSD
It's on Ebay not the cheapest but it's almost new and it's guaranteed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0317077181


I have the "Digital DIS-2" version if that matters at all..

What do you mean by Potted?

How much does it cost for MSD to check it out?


Potted means it is filled with an expoxy like stuff I think most of the new ones are not potted. If you have dip switches on the side intead of dials you are probably out of luck.
MSD charges about $65 to look at the unit Thats what they charged me.

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 Post subject: Re: MSD DIS-2 Problem again!
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:04 pm 
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OH greeeaat... Looks like i got F'd.

Because the person i bought it from was not running a Tach adapter and said it ran just fine.. I tried that and it ran like crap and fine intermittently.

Damnit!! :ireful:

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the tach adapters always go bad.
i went through 2 or 3 back in the day.
currently my MSD box is on the shelf b/c one of the coil drivers doesn't work all the time and the car drops half of the factory coil.

basically, MSD crap breaks all the time.

MSD FTL

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:22 pm 
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Dave that is exactly what happened to my first one I bought it on here (sat in my garage for 2 years) a long time back FOR CHEAP It wasted $500 worth of dyno time. Boy did I get what I paid for. Then I bought a brand new one had some ignition problems sent it to MSD and they gave it a clean bill of health and some upgrades. Have $600 in it and now its on ebay with a $225 bid. But I'll never have another one go bad. My ViPEC ecu does everything in one box no edist, no msd. NO WORRY.

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^^ last two posts, if the MSD was this bad for everyone im sure theyd stop making it, assumptions FTL


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^^ last two posts, if the MSD was this bad for everyone im sure theyd stop making it, assumptions FTL


who the hell are you?
these aren't assumptions.
they are proven facts that they break.
having 3 tach adapters go bad isn't an assumption, especially at $50 a pop.

besides the 2-step function, the MSD box do anything to make a car faster.
it shows zero gains on the dyno.

it's pretty much the same as the MSD "performance" coil.

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 Post subject: Re: MSD DIS-2 Problem again!
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:32 am 
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Really the reason i got the MSD was for the 2step and i WAS going to go N2O.. But that fell through.

What on the dip switches should be switched on and what should be off? :am:

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MSD DIS-2 = complete s h i t
Throw that box away. If you want an ignition box go with the Crane, that's what I did and could not be happier.

http://www.cranecams.com/index.php?show ... 4&prt=2009
Go with the Pt. No. 6000-6500, same as above but black, reason is Crane discontinued all color options and order straight from Crane - faster shipping.

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I'll have to disagree.

Mine ran fine for years! Only toasted one tach adapter in that 4 or 5years I owned it.

Most of them problems stem from bad connections, crap butt connectors, cold solder joints, excess heat and so on.

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My MSD DIS-2 has been on my R/T for 5 or 6 yrs. I bought one off the org last year that would do the samething yours is doing. It would run fine then would quit firing half the coil. I tried it without the tach adapter and it worked great all the time. So, I borrowed my friends tach adapter for awhile. One day I decided to try the tach adapter I got with the MSD again. It would run great then missfire. I could shake the wires to the tach adapter and it would go from running great to missfiring then back to running great. I firgured maybe it had a bad or broke wire so I cut over half of the wiring off of it since it was way to long anyway an it never messed up again. I had read somewhere about several people having problems with the MSD because the wiring was to long and once they shortened the wires it worked great.

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My MSD DIS-2 has been on my R/T for 5 or 6 yrs. I bought one off the org last year that would do the samething yours is doing. It would run fine then would quit firing half the coil. I tried it without the tach adapter and it worked great all the time. So, I borrowed my friends tach adapter for awhile. One day I decided to try the tach adapter I got with the MSD again. It would run great then missfire. I could shake the wires to the tach adapter and it would go from running great to missfiring then back to running great. I firgured maybe it had a bad or broke wire so I cut over half of the wiring off of it since it was way to long anyway an it never messed up again. I had read somewhere about several people having problems with the MSD because the wiring was to long and once they shortened the wires it worked great.



That sounds exactly like my situation. But mine does it with or without the tach adapter... I had my dad who is a aircraft electrician help me install this and everything. We even check the continuity of the splices and all were a go.

But what doesn't make sense to me is that it'll run fine after driving it then it'll sit for a day without being touched at all then it'll start its nonsense again. I've noticed if i start it a few times, let it sit, then try again it'll start right. But thats only if i'm lucky... I'm thinking about just removing it because i'd hate to hack up the wiring harness more.

ALSO, i cut the wires that go to the connector for the coil pack a bit short. Maybe like 2 inches of stock wire are left before it goes into the splice.. Anyone got a connector for a 98 coil pack that i could get at? lol

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Dave99rt wrote:
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^^ last two posts, if the MSD was this bad for everyone im sure theyd stop making it, assumptions FTL


who the hell are you?
these aren't assumptions.
they are proven facts that they break.
having 3 tach adapters go bad isn't an assumption, especially at $50 a pop.

besides the 2-step function, the MSD box do anything to make a car faster.
it shows zero gains on the dyno.

it's pretty much the same as the MSD "performance" coil.


who the hell are you? if im banned by the end of today it was because of this thread, its a proven fact that everything breaks, but mines been fine for over a year, if it doesnt for you then o well, the msd box doesnt really need to make cars faster, its used for its two step, and a few of its other functions, just because yours was shyt, doesnt mean you need to tell someone elses's will be too


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MSD has gotten considerably worst in the quality control department. Sometimes you get a unit that works fine but a large percentage of them have problems. Every stock or superstock racer I know carries at least one spare. This is not an assumption it's a hard cold fact.
The one I had went bad without ever using a tach adapter I'm using a Dual Channel Autometer tach that doesn't require an adapter.
I got rid of my whole ecu because of the MSD.

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^^ last two posts, if the MSD was this bad for everyone im sure theyd stop making it, assumptions FTL


who the hell are you?
these aren't assumptions.
they are proven facts that they break.
having 3 tach adapters go bad isn't an assumption, especially at $50 a pop.

besides the 2-step function, the MSD box do anything to make a car faster.
it shows zero gains on the dyno.

it's pretty much the same as the MSD "performance" coil.


who the hell are you? if im banned by the end of today it was because of this thread, its a proven fact that everything breaks, but mines been fine for over a year, if it doesnt for you then o well, the msd box doesnt really need to make cars faster, its used for its two step, and a few of its other functions, just because yours was shyt, doesnt mean you need to tell someone elses's will be too


i'm someone who owned a MSD box & ignition wires when you were probably in elementary or junior high.

this thread is all consistent with MSD reliability i've noticed on this site.
i spoke with an MSD tech at nopi nationals a few years ago and all he did was nod his head in agreement about the items failing.
that is just sad, he never once defended their parts.

obviously, everything breaks at some point.
a year isn't that long, Ksport coilovers last that long before blowing.
if the failure rate is 5%, that's unacceptable.

i've owned 6 MSD products, 5 have broken or had issues.

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Never will i ever buy another MSD product.. I'm removing it from my car as we speak. :am:

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well, there is a diagram that used to float around neons.org for installing it in a neon.
you could try shortening the wires to see if that fixes your issues.
mine didn't have performance flucuation issues, it had issues just working.

the car would run on only half of the coil at times.
with the tach adapter issues, it'd randomly start engaging the spark-cut.

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Anyone wanna buy mine? :boyrazz:


I'm selling one on ebay if you'd like to pick up a spare. It's only three months old and only been back to msd once. It cost me $500 right now its going for $225 (so far) I'll be happy to be done with it.

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No im never buying MSD again thank you lol.

And i also tried to start it again and it ran fine, Sputtered, Ran fine, sputtered, died.

So i'm just gunna say Fk it!

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Just removed everything. Never again. Never. A Big 250$ mistake with a side of a headache... And a even more broken dash lol

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This was my unit, and it worked fine in my car for years. I removed it because I went to a Megasquirt.

I killed a tach adaptor, removed it and the msd box ran fine without it. I never reinstalled one.

I'd still put my money on that you have an underlying issue if it works sometimes and not others.

But yes, I agree with Dave, it isn't for power. We even dyno tested it and it consistently was about one half of a horsepower less with the MSD on. But, the two step and high end rev limit functions made a half horsepower sacrifice worth it.

I'd remove the tach adaptor, post a picture of your dip switch settings, and make sure you have all of the tach adaptor bypass plugged all the way into each other.

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Here's what mine was set to:

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Some of course are related to 2 step rpm settings.

http://www.msdpower.com/download/6211.pdf

PDF to explain the settings. It should be noted that their wiring diagram has pin location wrong. it shows - - +, when it's actually - + - (the - being the triggers).

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Oooooohhh... So the last 3 for Switch1 had to be switched on?!

If thats the case then my switches were on wrong!! Blast! lol

and i had the trigger wires wired correctly for sure.

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Well even on the directions the last 3 of SW1 do nothing. So that shouldn't effect it at all. Im 100% sure the bullet connector's were correctly seated.

So i guess its just broke? :sad:

I had the 4th dip switch set to on just like yours.

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