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 Post subject: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:14 pm 
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it may or may have not been brought up before but whouldnt it fit? crazy i know cuz i just did a 2.4 swap but hey what the hell! i have a "mule" car thats a pos that a guy could try on. i mean the shadow wasnt a very big car!

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:16 pm 
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If you want to swap in an inferior engine with no aftermarket support... go nuts.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:27 pm 
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not my cup of tea! but my dad thinks the 3.0 v6 5 speed shadow was a fster car then the 2.0 neon. so.... with the 3.0 v6 youd have an awsome car. kinda... it would be like putting the 3.4 in the caviler! no aftermarket stuff for the motor but still differant

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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aneonrider wrote:
If you want to swap in an inferior engine with no aftermarket support... go nuts.
I wouldn't call it an inferior motor.... With some ingenuity they can make massive power.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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ne exa,ples? of "massive" power for the 3.0 V6? dose it share a platform like the Stratus r/t and eclipse gt, 3000GT etc etc... thought it was a differant motor entirely

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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ne exa,ples? of "massive" power for the 3.0 V6? dose it share a platform like the Stratus r/t and eclipse gt, 3000GT etc etc... thought it was a differant motor entirely
Cars that came with the specific 6g72 you are talking about are the chrysler lebarons, dodge daytonas, dodge shadows, dodge caravans, dodge spirits, and the base engine on the 3kgt. The later year 3.0 v6 that came on the stratus's and eclipse gt have the newer 24v engine.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Ondo ... 647377.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Ondo ... 634709.htm

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there was a supercharged 3.0 neon floating around somewhere.....but yes there are alot more aftermarket parts for the 2.4 then for the 3.0 n/a sohc engine

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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i've heard from a friend of a sandrail with a 3.0L that has both a Turbo and Nitrous. from what i heard he was trying to blow it up but it kept blowing out the spark before it went nuclear.




i dunno how much power it was making though :dunno:

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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Hmm. Swapping a 150hp engine for a 140hp engine that is also alot heavier. Certainly a novel concept.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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Its do-able, but I would recommend doing something else, but 3.0 was a very good motor, just almost no after market parts for it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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The 3.0 is a good work horse, does a great job in my 94' Caravan dispite it's appetite for oil and fuel. Really dosn't belong in a Neon.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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friend of mine put 3.0L in his daily driver. actually not that hard to put in he says. i was supposed to post picture couple months ago, but computer was on the fritz. will get pics if anybody interested.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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They are durable engines but you need to change the valve stems when it starts to use oil. It's probably not worth putting into a neon unless you want something unique. You can put a turbo on it or convert it to 24 valve dohc heads from a 3000gt.

I ported the heads on one and that really opened it up, I think there are/were headers available at one point. My daytona ran a 15.6

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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the ability to run true duals and not have to cut up the entire car is attractive :good:

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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I think the late 80's Shelby GLHS and chrysler turbo I & II motors sound far more attractive in a neon shell than that dog 3.0!!!

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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or a TIII which has been done I believe it was called "the spirit of sleeperville" in a mopar mag, I wish I still had that copy, damn that was when I was like 13

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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Nick Bain wrote:
or a TIII which has been done I believe it was called "the spirit of sleeperville" in a mopar mag, I wish I still had that copy, damn that was when I was like 13


the magazine was Mopar Now, where did it ever go?

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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TIII was tite, but that head was so over priced to repair when they cracked. Part of the reason most took the 2.2L block and adapted the dohc neon head. Far easier to come buy, and for hundreds less.

Some TD owners boosted their 3.0L. Did not see any running yet; just the setup.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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CUDAGUY wrote:
Nick Bain wrote:
or a TIII which has been done I believe it was called "the spirit of sleeperville" in a mopar mag, I wish I still had that copy, damn that was when I was like 13


the magazine was Mopar Now, where did it ever go?


magazine didn't generate the money needed to maintain itself

A couple of the guys from the site put a 2.2 in a neon. It's been so long to remember the whole group, in the end they said it wasn't worth the sum of their work.

as for the 3.0 v6, you could get rods and pistons for them but nothing off the shelf. If you could put it in, and make it look stock with full accessories, that would be remarkable. If you want to put it in because someone thinks it's fast, let them do it and save your time and money for something else.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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TIII was tite, but that head was so over priced to repair when they cracked. Part of the reason most took the 2.2L block and adapted the dohc neon head. Far easier to come buy, and for hundreds less.

Some TD owners boosted their 3.0L. Did not see any running yet; just the setup.
I already posted a vid of a turbo 3.0 running. It makes something like 520whp, 520ftlb on 20psi... That's with the stock computer. With megasquirt and more boost, it should make like 650-700hp and just as much torque.

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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TIII was tite, but that head was so over priced to repair when they cracked. Part of the reason most took the 2.2L block and adapted the dohc neon head. Far easier to come buy, and for hundreds less.

Some TD owners boosted their 3.0L. Did not see any running yet; just the setup.
I already posted a vid of a turbo 3.0 running. It makes something like 520whp, 520ftlb on 20psi... That's with the stock computer. With megasquirt and more boost, it should make like 650-700hp and just as much torque.


was it swapped to dohc heads? and where can I view it?

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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Nick Bain wrote:
Elgreco wrote:
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TIII was tite, but that head was so over priced to repair when they cracked. Part of the reason most took the 2.2L block and adapted the dohc neon head. Far easier to come buy, and for hundreds less.

Some TD owners boosted their 3.0L. Did not see any running yet; just the setup.
I already posted a vid of a turbo 3.0 running. It makes something like 520whp, 520ftlb on 20psi... That's with the stock computer. With megasquirt and more boost, it should make like 650-700hp and just as much torque.


was it swapped to dohc heads?
Nope, the first motor had ported 12v heads. He did a *a#S!d^f* break in on that motor and it had massive blowbye. Still made over 500whp. He ran too hot of a plug and the electrodes came apart and tore up the heads and pistons. Right now he has a bonestock 3.0 longblock with custom intake manny and turbo, it runs 11's on e85 while he builds another motor. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/516w ... 635700.htm

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 Post subject: Re: 3.0 v6 shadow motor
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wow that makes me want to get back into the 3.0 someday. and holy wow thats good power from only 20 psi and sohc. Maybe a caravan turbo sleeper

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wow that makes me want to get back into the 3.0 someday. and holy wow thats good power from only 20 psi and sohc. Maybe a caravan turbo sleeper
Yeah, what I love most is how people say the 3.0 is a POS. It's a very stout motor. The only real problem with boosting the 3.0 is the pistons. The rings are up way too high on the pistons and just a little bit of knock will kill it. The crank is good for whatever you can throw at it, the rods are forged on all 6gxx motors and can handle a ton of power. Forged pistons is all you really need and you can make a lot of reliable HP.

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