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K. Olsen
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Post subject: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:33 pm |
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I often wondered how a 3" exhaust would work in a big cam N/A setup. Found this browsing honda tech... http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2341715I would think this wouldn't apply to mild n/a motors. So no bolting one on your sohc with a pacesetter header and an iceman 
_________________ 98 R/T: 2.4 All motor project 98 Lexus ES 300: 3.0 V6 daily driver
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Dave99rt
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:25 am |
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Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:27 am Posts: 3494 Location: Atlanta, GA
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sounds about right.
i ran 3" on a bunch of my 2.0 and 2.4 setups for a few years.
i never saw a lack of torque or power b/c my exhaust was too big.
it's been proven that open header makes best power on cammed n/a setups. the exhaust is only a way of having the exhaust leave the rear of the car, being street legal'ish, adding weight, and reducing sound. you'll never make more power through a full exhaust compared to a correctly designed open header setup.
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mbullett
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:31 am |
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Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:57 pm Posts: 679 Location: Mid CT
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I found the 3" was also the best (212whp 169tq Dyno Dynamics). I forget the power gain from 2.5" to 3". And as stated previously, open header will get you more (but I need an exhaust for "street nights"  at the track). MB
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K. Olsen
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:51 am |
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Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1241 Location: Missouri
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I just wished I had found this before I bought all my exhaust stuff 
_________________ 98 R/T: 2.4 All motor project 98 Lexus ES 300: 3.0 V6 daily driver
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Dave99rt
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:36 am |
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Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:27 am Posts: 3494 Location: Atlanta, GA
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TX-122
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:15 pm |
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Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:26 am Posts: 673 Location: somewhere in the E-10 workin on a neon.
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Dave99rt wrote: just put a cut-out after the header.
3" exhaust is quite heavy. exactly what i was gonna say. 
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superD
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:01 pm |
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K. Olsen wrote: I just wished I had found this before I bought all my exhaust stuff  the difference is hardly worth selling what you have and upgrading. if starting from scratch, yeah why not. but he only gained what? 9WHP? i just use a cutout.
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fusion210
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:32 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2002 11:15 am Posts: 6639 Location: NC
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I can't find the article, but I read one a while ago about tuning with the diameter of the exhaust piping after the collector. I don't think it's a matter of eliminating a restriction as it is a matter of tuning, just like with primary diameter. Perhaps someone has the article, a link to it, or at least remembers more than I do about it.  If you aren't running a header with a good collector, or if you're running a cat I'm not sure how big of gains you will see.
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Hi-Def
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:52 pm |
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crazzydiamond85
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:55 pm |
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Dave99rt wrote: just put a cut-out after the header.
3" exhaust is quite heavy. for something thats gonna see the track somewhat regularly i would agree, but for someone like me who hardly ever goes to the track (why when i have the interstate to myself at 4am 5 days a week), 9 or even 5 WHP i could really enjoy. and the guy in the honda forum made a good point, the 3" sounds MUCH better. however, an electronic cutout wired to a throttle switch to come on just before WOT, that would be fun... pull up next to the ricer and drop the hammer:grin:
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Dave99rt
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:35 pm |
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buickVsix
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:26 am |
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Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:51 am Posts: 25 Location: Manteno il
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like the idea of having 3" exhaust. bur will it be too much with a long tube header, larger tb, afx race cpu, crane 14, and locked open short runner intake on a 01 rt sohc. im about to install the cam and the long tube header, and i was going to do 2.5" but will 3" be better in higher rpms around 5k to 7800.
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Hi-Def
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:01 pm |
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Dave99rt
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:20 pm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2002 2:27 am Posts: 3494 Location: Atlanta, GA
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TurboWhips wrote: lol at the comments...nice run dave, what all mods you have in that run. 2.4 with crane 22's, gobs of bolt-ons, 200+ whp. that was the first day the track was open for the year, traction was quite limited. baby launches, baby 1-2 shift, and still trapped high 101's.
_________________ 2.0 DOHC, 150+ whp, stock cams!!!
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Hi-Def
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Post subject: Re: N/A comparo of 3" exhaust to 2.5" Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:50 pm |
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Dave99rt wrote: TurboWhips wrote: lol at the comments...nice run dave, what all mods you have in that run. 2.4 with crane 22's, gobs of bolt-ons, 200+ whp. that was the first day the track was open for the year, traction was quite limited. baby launches, baby 1-2 shift, and still trapped high 101's. was that a 14.17 run? couldnt quite see it in the video , cam moved to fast. yea traction owned you, still nice run nonetheless.
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