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prices will vary.......... got any other questions let me know

Mike

Heads..............

standard ported dohc head numbers are as follows...........

the flow bench is a super flow 600

stock dohc head flow numbers @ .500 lift and 28" h20 are........

intake- 249.8 cfm
exhaust- 168.2 cfm

street strip porting...............

(this is with stock valves, no combo work and it also retains the valve guides and bosses in the ports)

intake:

.100- 94.50
.200- 177.80
.300- 246.60
.400- 274.20
.500- 278.91

exhaust:

.100- 82.00
.200- 146.50
.300- 201.30
.400- 217.90
.500- 233.30


heres a race ported dohc head

(with combo chamber work and removed guides and bosses)

intake

.100"- 94.56
.200"- 183.76
.300"- 256.53
.400"- 269.80
.500"- 300.76

exhaust

.100"- 86.02
.200"- 166.19
.300"- 207.69
.400"- 222.18
.500"- 236.67

currently my race ported sohc with combo work @ .500" of lift and 28" H2O did 243 cfm on the intake side and 175 cfm on the exhaust. there more to be had from that head still.



pics are gone for a little bit, i need to go through and add new ones and remove old ones sorry for the inconvience ill have them back up ASAP.


mike


for ur viewing pleasure though here are some completley custom intakes ive recently done..........



tk motorsports intake manifold.........



bottom center mount srt manifold.......



sgt brads all motor 2.2 stroker intake manifold.........




and more new parts to come


heres some past intakes.........

10 heads will take a while to port! I hope fabrication is your only job.

Sounds like a great idea, but from first hand experience... it takes ALOT to get 10 LEGIT buyers with cash for either of those items. 5 is alot more reasonable.

I also think you'd have better luck extending this as an "on the side" type service as compared to a group buy. Group buy's and bulk orders will hit you hard... kinda like jumping in head first. Id make a few IM's on the side for the $350-400 range... see how that goes first, and the same with porting. The people who really need or want them will be able to afford the few extra pennies.

Also a cheaper price is great, but again... from experience... it gets the attention of alot of morons, who have zero need the part or dont even know how to install it. People with an iceman and pacesetter that think a custom box manifold is the next step for their quest for 10's.

Just my opinion.

Best of luck,
Todd R.


R/Ternie doesnt really fit among the take your money and run ranks
In Eric's (r/ternie's) defense... he made good with everyone eventually... unlike other fabricators. You can easily contact him now... he isnt hiding. It may have taken him several months... but there is no longer a waiting list or i got f-ed list. People got their refund or their parts. The majority of the people that know or ordered from r/ternie, were content in the end... anywho... no more needs to be said about this...

heres a race ported srt4 head i did about a year ago..........








gasket matched exhaust manfiold and turbine inlet to match .........





ported dohc head with gasket matched intake manfiold to match...........



catch can setup i put together for an eclipse.........

-10 lines to the can and a -8 return to the oil pan





4g63 (eclipse) race ported head........

intake

exhaust


some other shots of one of my street strip dohc intake ports........





unshrouded and cleaned up chambers........



the undercast was really bad on this srt head........
before

after

Your work looks good... and those prices are attractive, esp. for people who need those parts and can no longer find them. If your end product is anything like your personal setup... im sure you could pick up plenty of side jobs.

If you do shoot for a higher volume group buy... definately prefab a few and have them ready to go.

Later,
Todd R.

pics under editing.......

i might be interested in about a month or so since i just started working but i have a few questions.
1) will the intake work on a 95 sohc diff motor set up and what not as far as placement?
2) does it have to be a 60 mm tb because i have a stock engine so far so i dont really need that big of a throttle body
and lastly
how much of a gain as far as rpm range am i gonna see the results
thanks for the help i hope I'm not to much of a pain

moved pics to top..........

How does your head porting compare to, say, Eddie Fierro's full race port? His price is a little lower, well when he is taking orders which appears to be off and on so he doesn't get too far behind.

Also I was thinking of eventually asking for a custom intake manifold for my 2.4 turbo project. Your intake manifolds aren't all the same are they? Would you be able to custom design one if you were given a setup description? Not sure how to say that, hope you figure it out

i really dont know....... ive never checked his stuff out before. about the intake i can do whatever u want............ but for the group i had planned on the design above.

Count me in for an intake manifold. We discussed one earlier and it would be pretty much the same as Paul's.

Setup:
High comp, built, long rod 2.4
Ported head w/ crane 18's
60mm TB
Havent decided on the egr port yet but I'm guessing the group buy doesn't come with it.

Let me know if that setup is the one for this group buy. If it is I will be #1 for the list. Might need it pretty soon too...

David

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Oh, do you use a flow bench at all???

Ha... i was waiting for someone to drop the F-bomb... happens anytime someone mentions porting.

My guess is no... it seems this would be a side job out of a small shop. Flowbenching would add too much to the cost (in the eyes of most neon owners) and have to be outsourced. Im sure if you want to add 100- 200 dollars to that price he might be able do it But i should prolly let him answer...

no sir............ but i could get it flow tested to see what the out come would be. I'll check into with the single cam head I'm doing right now (and ill pay for it). i know one thing though............... its definitely going to flow better than stock............. how? i just know.

I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything, just trying to see what $700 in porting would actual get you. I'm sure it flows better than stock though. I dunno, I'd just like to see some more results before looking at dropping $700 on a head job.

Now if you do get that Neon to run 12's (or 11's ), you'd probably sell alot of people on it

well i figured for the time i put into porting the machining and the valve job that 700.00 was actually cheap compared to the likes of nrgy or nemo or something. I'm gonna get ahold of a machine/ race shop out here (basco machining) to see if they flow customer heads. they have a super flow 600 there i just don know if they allow customers to come and have the work tested on it u know. i update the post when i find out. yeah i looked at eddies prices and he is really cheap. oh and don't worry ill do 11's........... of course its in the beer can but that's still fast.

is the 300 total or is there a core? Can you send one in for cheaper?

so to clear things up............ i would need a core form u unless i can find a core and u would pay the core charge which is about 40.00 (that's how much they are at the junk yards around here)

ya that's what I noticed too, and he's got some killer proven skill too. Of course it's hard to get one sent to him, you gotta have your $$$ and head ready to go when he pops up, which is every few months, and you only got like a week to catch him.

funny......... me, eddie and nick are all in or around phoenix az.

i want a manifold. count me in.

yea me know when you have the flow numbers, the work looks good, but if it doesnt flow much over stock.... not busting your balls, im just a broke guy who goes for the most bang for your buck..... i will have a head ready for you, and the cash in hand at the end of the month. you supply the flow numbers and a turn around time and i'll supply the cash...... you can pm me the info if you'd like....

nate

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If you can get flow numbers, count me in on a head. Otherwise, I'll be looking out for Eddy the next time he pops in.

this group buy is not going to work out................ i kinda figured it would nt when i started the thread............... owell, so if u do want some work done just shoot me an IM guys. thanks

mike

I'm sure you'll still get plenty of business otherwise. Keep up the good work.

what is the maxx cfm you can get a dohc head to flow and at what lift?

never had them on a flow bench sir. would like to but it costs dollars........

And that raises the price of the finished product for the cheapos who don't like to spend big bucks. So enjoy his product, he is offering it at a great price.

Man, this is pretty old now.... I wish I would've known that before I waited this long.... Oh well, I'll consider my options and rethink it.

ya the reason I ask about flow numbers is the fact that I have a large investment into my set-up, paid a fair but hefty price a couple years ago on an NRGY head to find out that it won't flow enough for my new needs..I do not mind spending the cash to have a finished product that will support my needs..but I really don't want to spend cash on a component that is rendered useless to me..thanks for your time

Hey mike, why not start a little price-list on head-work?

Example:

Core Charge: $40
Polish Only: $100
Port Only: $100
Port and Polish: $175
3-Angle Valves: $125
Head Decking: $75

Etc etc.. (just a basic example, btw... might give some people a few things to think about, like getting a head from you for a couple hundred less because they didn't have all of the extras done ).

i can and do do that also hex................. so thats why i said just hit me up if u have any questions.

if someone offered me 100$ port a neon head i would walk away.

neon cylinder heads have horriable casting flash, and the exhaust bowls are no joke, you have to remove alot of material to get them flush/smooth.

Takes awhile, I have put over 20 hours or so on my srt-4 style head. Then again i am doing a full race port, and makeing sure it will be perfectly smooth.

i am using a air die grinder and a dremel. lots of work there.

what the hell does this have to do with my group buy ed? starting arguments in my thread with hex is a no no. u hex and redline should start and argument thread, it would be awesome. i bet it would be the most viewed thread on the org as a matter of fact..................... think about it ed, think about it.

Because you suck at porting .

Mike, I'll be getting ahold of you pretty soon about a DOHC head.

Btw, Mike. What would you charge to do some basic aluminum welding (no fabrication needed)? I've got some materials for quite a few manifolds but no tig and my mig welder isn't exactly the best thing to try and weld aluminum with. The welders around here aren't cheap. I'll even pay for the materials, btw.

Around my area they get about 300.00 each for that much welding.



Hey Mike,

How about ladder,chair,table cage match winnner take all match?

that gose for u too........... none of that chit here.

oh and pm'ed

The bottom end torque lose in barely noticable. Manifold will not fit 95 without trimming fan and 96 and up must remove driver fan.

Very well made peice. Tb opening is larger than 60mm. Allows for good placement of tb and battery.

sweet! looks awesome mike! did the gasket match up good to the runners?